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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- In “Human Diversity” Dr. Charles Murray argues that advances in genetics and neuroscience are overthrowing an intellectual orthodoxy that has ruled the social sciences for decades. The core of this orthodoxy consists of three dogmas: gender is a social construct; race is a social construct; and class is a function of privilege. “Human Diversity” posits that all three dogmas are half-truths that have stifled progress in our understanding of the social, political, and economic worlds we live in. During the event, Dr. Murray was joined by Princeton University’s Dr. Dalton Conley.
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My goodness, what a gentleman is Charles Murray! Brilliant beyond words, and gracious in the extreme. A treasure.
So true ...he presents this information very logicaly and graciously....happy to get clarity on these ideas in this crazy time.
@@jj342 Why charles Murray hasn't run for president is beyond me. I think he'd be one of the best candidates. You can tell he actually cares about the struggles of everyday Americans
@@ravinglibertopian3226 // He is not a scumbag
There's a huge gap between the scorn, calumny and vitriol poured on this man...and the gentle, hardworking and often brilliant reality that he manifests.
Murray is a soft spoken racist lol
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn Then perhaps reality is racist?
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn you’re a blatant ignoramus
Charles Murray, I just LOVE you! I am listening to all of your video interviews and reading all of your books that I can get my hands on. So lovely to hear the thoughts of an intellectual with more integrity, heart and practical, common sense than ego. You remind me a little of Thomas Lowell, another too rare and beautiful human being.
I love my plumber and a/c man, regular Americans do not think blue collar or manual labor is of low value. That is strictly an elitist idea. Totally agree with Murray here.
@Vox Daze I have no idea what you are referencing.
Agreed. This is exactly why Charles Murray should run for president
@Dnomyar AkunawikWhy not? I think he'd be one of the best candidates. He seems like he genuinely gives a shit about the pleas and grievances of everyday Americans ; unlike all of our present worthless piece of shit politicians right now.
& whom did the anointed few try to destroy in the months after this event? The treatment of those same tradesmen by the jobs-for-life public sector & Big tech goons is barbaric.
@@sunbro6998 have you read Murray? I would have thought the point was clear.
An accident occurred outside my house. A car sheared off a fire hydrant, brought down a utility pole along with a lamp post. The disaster was cleared up in 2 hours by men that don't rank high in the desirable pecking order.
7:00 it's fascinating that despite Murray literally repeating several times that we're talking about averages, the critics claim he's not.
18:05 the fact that he's stating this very clearly and is still lamenting for those same things is just crazy.
I'm reading this book and is so good. Murray writes in a VERY clear way, and even though the book is huge, It doesn't feel like is a burden to read it.
What is the suicide rate of Dalton's students?
Funny
The environment can enable opportunity. IQ will limit capacity. Healthy environments will bring forth stable personality and with some persistence and an average IQ, will probably lead to happy employment in life. Nothing is guaranteed and nothing is 'as of right'.
well said.
Well, guess I better make some time to read this, sounds like it is packed with information.
FFs how long is this other guy gonna talk?? My god. This is a Murray video.
argree
I wish Murray would learn how to use a fucking microphone
@@JJRatko I just skipped over him. I don't need to hear his bumbling thought-forming process...he should have done all that before he sat down.
@six pence race is biology.
Just Bec it's science you do not like, doesn't mean it's not true.
He is super-bright, he's just talking at too high a level...and maybe too long.
Btw, I am currently writing a social science text which integrates the biological sciences. I am extremely open-minded and well read. So, I am not inherently biased against genetic understandings of human behavior and society. Murray is just so obviously using science as a weapon, instead of a tool. WHAT SCIENTIST INSISTS THAT COLLECTIVE HUMAN PROGRESS IS IMPOSSIBLE?
I’m fast forwarding thru Dalton
19:30: if you can’t explain your ideas clearly enough for people to understand, don’t complain about being misunderstood. It’s more likely that we understand perfectly.
7:20. “Virtually no exceptions…”. There are many exceptions, as he either knows or is deceitful about. He is describing GENDER traits, right after saying the concept of gender “can be dispensed with.”
What Charles Murray says is the elephants in the room that nobody will discus. There are genetic differences in the races., and sadly no outside intervention can change that. Look at the school program HEAD START. When they looked at that data for children in first grade it seem like they had closed the IQ gap between white students and Black students ,but by the time they were 18 all the benefit was gone . If the difference was racism that would be a good thing because then you could do something about it ,but sadly its genetics. Notice how Conly turns accusatory on Murray , WHAT GOOD CAN WE GET FROM THIS This is a guy clearly out of his league , so now he'll try the OLD RACISM SPIN on it
@six pence Read THE BELL CURVE
@six pence Look up Robert Plomin, behavioral geneticist, who's been working with Stephen Hsu (look him up too), a 160 IQ physicist dedicated 100% to intelligence and genes research for the last 10 years. Murray isn't even saying anything controversial for actual experts in the field, you sad, pathetic, ignorant person.
@Kyle Adams Wrong use of obsolete. You mean disproven.? RIGHT.? No it has not been disproven. Tell me something in the book that has been disproven.? Amazing how you go right for the race card. Forget the BELL CURVE all you need to do is look at a races accomplishments.
@Kyle Adams What makes you capable of estimating a persons IQ.?
@Catherine Golden It should be obvious ,but most people just can't put two and two together.
Thank you
14:20: “You’ve got lots of differences in alleles that are known to be affecting important traits”. Absurd assumption with no evidence.
Why is the guy debating Murray in a panic over the fact that there are bigger genetic differences between me and someone from another continent than between me and a family member? Yet he's trying to convince me that the differences between me and a family member are more significant. He also neglected to mention that African admixed teams get higher basketball scores. What else is he hiding?
Dalton Conley attempted to conflate what we call races with what we call ethnicities and castes.
Atypical sexual "orientation" is strongly influenced by fetal development, hormonal influence on brain differentiation, rather than specific genetics. Estrogenic chemicals, petrochemicals, etc. See more recent science.
A 4 minute intro for a 12 minute speech. AEI relishes archaic program formats.
Awesome! Though one wonders why the organizers of these events assume they must be so short? When the speakers are so great, an audience will have the attention span to listen. This could have been at least twice as long. Feels like arbitrarily lost potential. Just a trend I’ve noticed with these sorts of events.
Two hours at least.
Absolutely right
There are few issues, an important one is how to explain difference among groups of people, scientists think the answer is either biological/genetic or environmental/acquired and miss the real reason which is the interaction between the two and neither one alone! Human societies tend to develop the environment that is best fit the biological talents and skills of their members, the anglosaxons did that for generations achieving good results and think it should work for all other societies!
18:00: while appreciated, his attempted disclaimer about scientific objectivity or moral superiority, claiming absolutely no biases, is deceptive yet laughable. It’s like your coworker who says, “I’m not racist, but did you hear the one about about dumb n*****s are?” He uses the “disclaimer” to legitimize and authorize bigotry.
16:19: The “syllogism” of his coauthor is a series of “IFS”. The logic is absolutely flawed. And proven incorrect.
Why is Dalton Conley hijacking this conversation? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Completely incoherently too. It’s not like he was building up to a question. 🤦🏻♂️
He just kept rambling…….
Dalton Conley- you gain humility by having been humiliated.
Murray is too respectful.. the Princeton professor is a typical campus liberal.
GIVEMEUSERNAME PLEASE Murray is respectful to everyone, including Eric Turkheimer, who is extremely disrespectful to Murray at times.
GIVEME, I strongly disagree. We'd all be in a much better position right now if everyone who discussed this issue made a minimally adequate effort to be respectful and to stick to the issues. Charles Murray is setting an example that I hope the rest of us will one day follow.
Translate the stessfull statement following Murray's opening remark (Princeton prof in panick mode) 20:40 to 27:00 embrace necessary distiction "genger" v "sex" etc., Burakumin in Japan are two century underclass but same genetics (so its environment!) etc. 29:58 to 32:50 (he keeps talking) back to ex "people in the Netherlands regional genetic differences" etc. Finally 40:00 gets to the stressful point.
They should invite Kevin Alfred Strom to talk here.
What’s the big research? Don’t anyone with a brain and honesty already know?
17:38: history is the telling of our cultural evolution, which obviously includes many “wholesale” changes this “deep thinker” insists are impossible. Did the steam engine change the lives of the masses in a fundamental way? Of course. So many other examples. Murray just wants to ensure that HIS fundamental beliefs are not challenged and the living standards of the poor are worsened - for the enrichment of his tribe. He merely cloaks this blatant racism, sexism, and classism in science. I “only” have a master’s degree, but I’d love debate this fool. So much self-contradiction to deconstruct.
I love how the moderator picks and chooses what minority means. He literally brings up Japan but then makes the point that minorities in the USA are xxxx. Hey buddy.. East Asians are a minority in America AND make the most $! Glossed over that huh
Considering the topic of the book, it's daunting how much power people of utterly mediocre ability to think took in the months following this event. Aristotle was right about slave mentality...
skip the Dalton Conley soapboxing. If he teaches I feel sorry for those students!
52:26 Americans need to stop saying that America is the worst of something, Princeton or whatever doesn't mean you know everything about everywhere
First the sociologists tried to get around the truth by saying their wasn't enough time for significant differences in intelligence to evolve between ethnicities since we left africa. Now they are trying to get around it by saying the differences are so big we can only look at families because differences within those are already so significant that ethnicity pales in comparison. Both are obviously wrong. They are not scientist they are wishfull thinkers.
1. Charles Murray will be celebrated in 20-50 years. People are too religious in their beliefs at the moment.
2. If IQ isn't a factor how come China has become one of the most powerful countries in the world and people in the Middle East and Africa are still eating dirt sandwiches in comparison. You don't have to be Charles Murray to understand this. Western Civilisation has dumped TRILLIONS into minorities both in the west and in their own countries to little or no avail. In 20-50 years people will laugh at anyone who thinks that race/IQ doesn't matter.
Talk about religious thinking. Do you seriously think the state of the Middle East is because of IQ distributions, not the fact that the United States has been fucking with countries like Afghanistan for decades? Or overthrowing democratically elected leaders and installing and propping up dictatorships like what we did in Iran? Get an education, you propaganda slurping, bootlicking, useful idiot.
High IQ will create people that
have the potential to create solutions to the most difficult problems. You could argue that only people of lower relative iq CAN be taken advantage of in this manner for so long, essentially being bullied and manipulated into subjugation. On the individual level, consider your own life experiences with people of lower and higher iq. Is it easier it harder to manipulate lower iq people? Ask the same with midwits, high iq, and genius level, and you'll have your answer.
What an incredibly stupid, fatuous comment. The Gulf states are some of the richest countries in the world, and have almost exactly the same ethnic makeup as some of the poorest countries in the Middle East. China was as poor as many African countries until a couple of decades ago, even though nothing about its ethnic makeup has changed since then. America's infrastructure was largely built by African slave labor, while those same laborers were denied property rights for 200 years in that country. Even today America's wealth is largely built on importing goods from developing countries, which produce those items more cheaply and efficiently than American workers can. Almost everything America consumes, from food, to oil, to consumer goods, is imported from developing countries which produce those items, and effectively subsidise America's economy. Charles Murray and other right-wing pop psychology loons have no idea what they're talking about.
@@webdesignerguy China was never as poor as Africa.
China has been stealing Western technology for decades. Trump’s trying to change that with new trade deals.
Format of the debate was bad. I dont think they argue about anything contentious.
plus a hundred bucks
This is PURE WISHCASTING
This comment section is scaring the shit out of me.
A more critical question is, why so nervous all around?
experience
IBS
It’s also highly intellectually dishonest to take the actual differences between men and women, which are insignificant compared to our similarities, and conflate/magnify them to make sweeping generalizations and assumptions about human nature. Charlatan.
is this book written after the global bell curve?
yes
So CRT bs can be published and this not.
Dont say both only zingle moms dads in child support jail
The woman (Washington post reporter) at the end is cute.
This really is much ado about very little. Why predicts life? Boring enough life in computer ages already!
The second guy is obviously intelligent, but he sounds like a bumbling fool compared to Murray. But then any one would.
Ur nott going to make it that far 56 percent of population is not going to takebit marriage for the rich no5 for the poor not for dadz
we can breed dogs to be different , why would humans be different ?
Weren’t the NAZIs trying to do that? Good dog breeders are always trying to breed the good genetics for obvious reasons.
@@lukewarme9121 Not only the Nazis... choosing a gf is eugenics.
If you're looking for a real answer, I'm happy to provide. It's not that humans can't be bred to have extreme differences. It's that they 1) shouldn't and 2) would need more time than we've been on this planet to depart from one another the way dog breeds have. (Dogs breed in litters, with a few months of incubation, and can start reproducing as early as 2).
It is commonly accepted that human individuals have rights to their own autonomy and future, unlike dogs. Dogs are and have always been property (or pests). They were designed to work, fight, or socialize. This is the POINT of breeding. Failing any of these usually results in extermination. English bulldogs were made with a purpose, but breeding has made it to where they cannot give brith without human asistance. Not exactly something I'd inflict on any human just to give them a bigger brain.
Now why would we introduce breeding to the human world when the greatest thing about being human is that we get to choose our own paths in life?
Let's look at dogs. Dogs have litters of pups at a time over an incubation period of just a few months and are able to begin the process of reproduction as early as two. Therefore, ending up with breeds so different from each other is a quick process compared to humans. Dogs are also property. They do not have agency over their own lives. Their right to live is solely dependant on their
@@nyna3501 While I'm sympathetic to your first point, I think your second point follows from a bad conception of eugenics and a misunderstanding of the type of evolution we're talking about.
First and foremost, the purpose of dog breeding was never to increase or decrease the gentic distance between dog breeds, but to achieve certain combinations of desirable traits.
Second, we're not talking about building up new allele complexes from scratch through random mutation, selection, fixation, repeat as necessary. That sort of thing really is super-slow, and Lewontin was right about it taking way too long. Rather, we're talking about selection on extant variation, which is something that happens fast and hard.
If you're interested, we actually have a really good quantitative understanding of how this works. You can look up the breeder's equation if you want to. But as an example, if we select the top 1/3rd of a population based on a trait that is .6 heritable, then the first generation of offspring will have an increase in that trait of about 2/3rds of a standard deviation.
For an idea of what something like this has looked like in practice in recent human history, I would recommend something like Gregory Clark's A Farewell to Alms. I'm not completely confident that things happened the way he described, but it's a plausible story that fits with a modern quantitative understanding of heredity, and it would explain a great many things if true.
@@OptimalOwl if humanity had a long and consistent history of compassion, I could see myself indulging in going further down this rabbit hole. But whether or not it works isn't the issue. It's not even what traits humanity is looking to pass down. It's how this process, if conducted, will inevitably go. If it happens on first world soil (which is the most likely situation) most involved in this experiment will be white or asian. It doesn't matter if the trait we are aspiring to produce has nothing to do with race (like intellect or certain immunities to diseases). The fact is that such traits will come to be present in a certain portion of the human population almost exclusively, and that's ALL it takes in order for things to go horribly horribly wrong for those left out of this genetic lottery over time. Except this time, there will be objective scientific evidence that said super-beings are better instead of (only) racist rhetoric. And being 'sympathetic' to this fear isn't going to keep people like me alive if that happens.
Like Jeff goldblum said in that fantastic documentary, Jurassic Park, everyone is so concerned about whether we could that nobody stopped to think about whether or not we should.
I heard Charles is a scientist. What kind of scientist is he?
The best scientist! But really, he discovered DNA.
@@sirsha6973 no he didn't ...he is a political scientist ...whatever that means
@@jj342 haha, stay mad 😾😿🔫😂🖕
@@sirsha6973 I eat cats
A social scientist. He goes to lots of parties.
.....does it look different than you?.....act different?...talk different ?.....walk different?....it probably is different than you,.....or is a duck..............si or no?
Wild theories, not peer reviewed. Might one day be considered the ambiguous, authoritarian mysticism that led to other narrow justifications. About as unclear and "junky" as the science he is criticizing.
Mr. Murray has little to disagree with in Connally's retort. Well how about this, the removal of lead from gasoline has increased IQs. Its possible, but how much. Like a lot of what he says, that statement is utter nonsense. For that matter what Murray says is well known to laymen who are untarnished by academia. Social scientist, psychologist have done great harm to any of us who are not critical thinkers.
I think lead used to play a part in racial differences in life outcomes.
For a long time, lead exposure was high among all groups. Then we noticed that this was a bad thing, and we started fixing it. The process of de-leading took a few years longer for some groups than for others. During those years, there racial differences in average blood lead levels were large enough that they probably did widen the gap in life outcomes.
Today of course, all major groups in First World countries have pretty low blood lead levels. You can still find instances of some neighbourhood or other being poisoned, but it's rare enough that it doesn't create much of a difference in terms of whole-group averages.
I don't remember the details, but I remember seeing a toxicology model which said that, if blood lead levels were reduced to ==0 from what they are today, that would result in a gain of less than 1 average IQ point. I think it was on a video by the RUclipsr Modern Heresy.
10:40 race propisition
The covid - aids virus hoax is a perfect example of something that was a hypothesis that caused harm.
When stupidity takes a human form and discovers it can talk 👄
Murray is ooooooooold
With a capital o
Francis peña so is Bernie, feel the Burn!
Aaaaaaaaand?
His demeanor at his age is now my goal. I'm more likely to become an offensive, dont much care what you say, curmudgeon.
Why are people making a big deal out of this, I've been following him since I was 12 of course I'd start to notice his age
Yet still sharp as a razor and relevant to our times.